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Kepsi
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 Posted 05/14/2010 : 4:00:36 PM
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| You take the win, say "thank you" and know that eventually the POOL GODS will get them! |
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truhan316
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Posted 05/14/2010 : 4:04:30 PM
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Right from the Team Manual
23. SANDBAGGING
The APA does not intend to cover in this manual every possible way that someone may try to cheat the system. However, we would like to address some of the more common practices here. Intentionally missing shots for the purpose of increasing innings and holding your skill level down to gain an unfair advantage over your opponent is cheating! Team Captains are asked to report sandbagging to either the League Operator or their Division Representative, who in turn may contact other Team Captains to help determine the validity of the complaint. If you sandbag, you may be penalized by being assigned a skill level much higher than your true ability or have your membership suspended or revoked. Please list and describe in detail, on a separate piece of paper, any intentional nonperformance activity by a player. This information will allow Local Management to make an accurate determination as to whether a player is trying to hold his skill level down! If a player does not wish to compete fairly in our handicap League, his membership is in jeopardy. All sandbagging complaintsmust bemade in writing!
Mark any shots that you feel are defensive shots in the appropriate defensive shots column of the scoresheet. Both scoresheets must be signed, even if you disagree on the number of defensive shots. The League Office will decide which scoresheet to use for data processing. Players with integrity call their defensive shots. Call all safeties and intentionally missed shots so there will be fewer discrepancies on the two scoresheets! Play honest! Don’t pad innings! If you are found guilty of intentionally shooting the 8-ball in out-of-turn to raise your opponent’s rating, you will be strongly disciplined by League Management. If you feel another player is cheating, let your League Office know. They will take appropriate action. Teams guilty of conspiring to cheat the system by counting innings, coaching their players to miss shots or lose games, or in any other way as determined by Local League Management, will be penalized. The determination of whether a player is playing at a skill level below his or her true ability or a team is conspiring to cheat the system is necessarily subjective; the League Operator may make such a determination and assess penalties in his/her sole judgment and absolute discretion.
These are just a couple of suggested ways.
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nicole n
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Don't work for the Equalizer, let the Equalizer work for you.
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Wherever there's a beginning there's an end...and wherever there's an end there is a new beginning.
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Posted 05/18/2010 : 11:00:03 PM
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Hello,
There are things you can do to deal with players who you believe are sandbagging.
1) First, I will reiterate what Mike posted from the team manual. Mark down all intentional misses as defense shots on your score sheet. This is a judgement based marking but if you, when watching the match, judge that the person playing is missing on purpose then mark those misses as defensive shots. Teams' markings do not have to match and when the score sheet goes in the office it does not go in unnoticed.
2) Circle the players name. Remember to make some indication of whether you think the player should be higher/lower. Sometimes a little note on the scoresheet of why helps. This does not necessarily mean they will change but they will get looked at.
Don't hesitate to call the office if you need to speak with someone about it.
~TIGRESS~
(I would rather be lucky than good)
Any Pocket Anywhere...Anytime...for Anyone
EVERYONE Can Play! ANYONE Can Win!
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linwoodst
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Posted 05/19/2010 : 09:34:50 AM
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nicole you wrote
) Circle the players name. Remember to make some indication of whether you think the player should be higher/lower. Sometimes a little note on the scoresheet of why helps. This does not necessarily mean they will change but they will get looked at.
that was the old way they will not do nothing if you circle the name you have to file a complaint online now this way they will look into it i think its in the flyers they give to team captins at the start of the season just though i would clear that up for you i may be wrong but i was told that by the office
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nicole n
Website SL 6
Don't work for the Equalizer, let the Equalizer work for you.
The mind is like a parachute. It works best when opened.
Wherever there's a beginning there's an end...and wherever there's an end there is a new beginning.
"It is the choices we make in our life that lead us to our fate. Choose your path, be yourself and strive to make a difference!"
"QUALITY: It's a matter of Skill, Desire and Absolutely Focused Concentration"
"Much of life can never be explained but only witnessed." - Rachel Naomi Remen, MD
"Sometimes it's not how GOOD you are, but how BAD you want it!" |
Posted 05/19/2010 : 09:53:57 AM
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Thanks for pointing that out. yes, that is another way to indicate it. However, please know all the above are things you can do to request a review.
~TIGRESS~
(I would rather be lucky than good)
Any Pocket Anywhere...Anytime...for Anyone
EVERYONE Can Play! ANYONE Can Win!
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truhan316
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Posted 05/19/2010 : 11:17:36 AM
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Correct, you can either circle the name and make notations on the scoresheet, OR you can fill out the Skill Level Evaluation form located under documents and forms OR you can call the office as well.
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linwoodst
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Posted 05/19/2010 : 12:20:50 PM
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i thought they did away with the circle the name thing because they had to much poeple doing that someone in the office told me that so ive been doing it online
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truhan316
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Posted 05/19/2010 : 1:18:54 PM
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Can't totally rule it out because, as funny as it sounds, some people don't have a computer and don't have access to the internet, so they cannot do a skill level evaluation online.
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linwoodst
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Posted 05/19/2010 : 1:22:08 PM
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thats very true lol good point mike we took 4 last night
BE THE BEST YOU CAN BE DONT LET ANYONE MAKE YOU A PERSON THAT YOU ARE NOT PLAY YOUR GAME |
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Christian
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HighamEJ31
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Posted 05/20/2010 : 5:00:37 PM
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| When you realize that they might be starting to turn down their playing to dump the game, start playing more defense on them even when you have clear shots. That should annoy them or confuse them and be damn hilarious. |
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stevepool8
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Posted 05/30/2010 : 6:13:45 PM
(Edited 05/31/10 @ 06:38)
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I still have a rotary phone in my kitchen. I usually only on line at work also.
I still have dial up internet. I do not have time at home for cable tv. |
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truhan316
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Posted 06/15/2010 : 3:34:40 PM
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Sandbagging can also be done by a person not playing in the match at all. They could inappropriately write down innings incorrect, mark down defensive shots that did not occur or just circle a name for review (submit a handicap review form).
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RachelH714
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Posted 06/16/2010 : 12:40:00 PM
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| It was nice meeting you last night Mike. You have a great team. |
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truhan316
Website SL 7
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Posted 06/16/2010 : 12:48:08 PM
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Yeah, my Tuesday team has a lot of fun people. We all like to win, but all like to have a good time. It was nice meeting you finally as well.
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